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Out-of-Pocket Property Acquisition Costs

I haven’t ever given much thought to the “no money down” approach to real estate investing (perhaps because I’m fortunate enough to have a decent amount of savings), but I was pleasantly surprised by how little cash I will need to close tomorrow.  After evaluating a number of different scenarios with my mortgage broker, we ended up structuring the financing for this property as a plain vanilla 30-year fixed rate mortgage with a 5% down payment.  We looked at interest-only and adjustable rate mortgages, but as an investor planning to hold the property for only a short-period of time, the traditional fixed rate structure made the most sense because it had the lowest up-front costs.  Even better, I was able to get a “seller’s concession” written into the contract where the purchase price is increased by approximately 3% and that increase is then applied toward my closing costs (which is just a convoluted way of borrowing for the out-of-pocket settlement costs).  See a breakdown of the closing costs associated with this property below.

Flipping Houses: Closing Cost Breakdown for 1st Project

The end result (assuming the closing coordinator doesn’t call a fourth time to change the final figures) is that I will be paying out a total of approximately $16,500 to acquire this property after the closing costs not covered by the seller’s concession and the 5% down payment are tallied up.  That comes out to only 6% of my $285,000 purchase price in cash spent to buy my first house, which is a pretty attractive figure in my opinion.  That percentage goes up a little bit if you include the cost of the property inspection, homeowner’s insurance, and flood insurance, but it’s still less than 7% of the purchase price even with this all-inclusive view.  This leaves me with a bit more cash in my pocket for the renovations and on-going expenses than I had originally budgeted for, so I’m feeling pretty good about the project so far.  They key will be reselling this property on schedule to prevent the hefty carrying costs from eating all my profit away.

Flip Financing Update: Knock Knock – Anybody Home?

After getting approved with a couple different mortgage brokers and comparing their programs, interest rates and upfront fees, I ended up going with the broker that my agent recommended.  The numbers that the different mortgage companies came back with were all largely the same, so I ended up making my decision based on the experience of the actual person I would be working with.  While I liked a Manhattan broker the best (pleasant, easy going, very professional), I ended up working with a fast-talking NJ mortgage guy because he understood exactly what my investment objectives were and was able to assemble a loan program that accommodated my desire for minimal upfront costs, no pre-payment penalties, etc.  The other brokers I spoke with seemed completely unfamiliar with the concept of purchasing a house solely for the purpose of fixing it up and re-selling it in short order.

lights on in the flip houseEverything has been going smoothly and I’m happy with the financing plan that we have set up (5% down 30-year fixed rate mortgage with zero out-of-pocket closing costs thanks to a 3% seller’s concession), but I had an odd conversation with the mortgage guy yesterday when I noted that he had checked the “Owner Occupied” box on the application forms.  I believe I had told him that I live in NYC and would be working on the property during the week, so I wanted to clarify that he heard me correctly – even though I suspected he was giving me a break by filling in the owner occupied box so I would qualify for a wider range of programs.  His response was a chilling mini-lecture on how it certainly is an owner occupied property (rib-rib nudge-nudge) and how all my other documents will of course reflect that as well.  He then repeated that message, prefacing the statement with: “Just to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR…”

This exchange was a little unnerving, but I suppose he is just trying to cover his butt and make sure I don’t put contradictory information on any other forms.  Also, it isn’t that much of a stretch to call it an owner occupied property because I’m not renting it out and I will likely spend many, many days and nights occupying the home over the coming months.  I can’t imagine I will be able to continue securing owner occupied financing after 3 or 4 flips in a single year, but I feel fortunate to have an aggressive broker working to get me a good deal as I first start out.

Flip Tip: Electronic Mortgage Documentation

As a first-time homebuyer/investor, I’m surprised to feel like I’m in a position to be giving tips already, but I haven’t seen this recommendation electricity is our friendanywhere else.  The tip is simple: make getting multiple bids from different banks and mortgage brokers easy by preparing all the necessary documentation electronically.  This largely involves getting PDFs of items such as bank statements, pay stubs, tax returns, etc, but I found the brokers accepted image files and Microsoft Word documents as well.  My employer provides our pay stubs electronically (same for my bank and investment account documents) and I do my taxes electronically as well, so it was just a matter of gathering all these files into a single place and e-mailing them off to the brokers.  This saved significant time and hassle with photocopiers and mailing or delivering hard copies of all these materials, making it easy for me to get several mortgage brokers on-board with little effort beyond sending an e-mail.  The broker may not enjoy this method because they will probably have to spend some time printing out all the documents, but they shouldn’t mind too much if they really want your business.

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Flipping Startup Hurdle #3: $$ Financing $$

That’s right: cash money bling bling.  Houses don’t finance themselves and I’m not of the “zero money down” camp (this approach seems to beMoney Bags particularly impossible in the NYC area), so that leaves me in need of some serious cash.  Fortunately, several years of soul-sucking work in finance have left me with a decent-sized savings account and I have always been a stickler about paying my bills on time, so hopefully lenders will be bending over backwards to give me a $300,000 - $450,000 mortgage on an ugly property in an up-and-coming neighborhood.  Lots of recommendations on area mortgage brokers (most literature suggests they’re the way to go vs. getting a loan direct from a bank, right?) available here.  I’m a sucker for a decent website with good information, so Manhattan Mortgages seems like a good place to start.  I’m going to pay them a visit as soon as I finish compiling my personal financial statement and gathering recent tax returns, bank statements, etc.